cybernetic points of views






Stein and Toklas


Maturana SDSystems


M. Mead


von Glasersfeld




Faltse Statements


Brün's When is a Paradiigm


Richards, et al A Report

Triadic Relations


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I want a new society. So, I desire social transformations that generate a society I desire to be an element of. Such transformations require a way of thinking differently about relations, cause/effect, purpose, independence, etc. A way or ways of thinking language(ing) and composing that speaks me (anticommunication) rather than me speaking it (communication). Cybernetics, one approach to solving problems when turning together, looking at our looking and doing differently.

Cybernetics, Communication and Compostion

Gertrude Stein once wrote, when there is communication there is no creativity. I say, when there is creativity there is anticommunication. Herbert Brün invented the term anticommunication as a premise for designing a new and honest language, since:

insistence on communication ultimately generates social and physical violence because communication feeds-on, speeds-up the decay of information in human systems. Anticommunication feeds on newness and retards decay of living systems, since anticommunication ultimately insists on composition and peace as a need.

So, when I want to create something new, I observe an asynchronicity, design an alternative, often an anticommunication nested in communication, and act accordingly = performance.

We are all actors acting all the time and when we act with intent performers.


Cybernetics, a transdiciplinary approach for exploring variety in a vareity fsystems, their structures, constraints and possibilities.

Cybernetics is relevant to the study of mechanical, physical, biological, cognitive and social systems including the arts.

First cybernetics (as science) was defined in the mid 20th century by Norbert Wiener as "the scientific study of control and communication in the animal and the machine.

During the second half of the 20th century cybernetics evolved in ways that distinguish first cybernetics (observed systems) from second cybernetics (observing systems),

The circularity of cybernetics leads to ons's self, shifting one's (thus our) language(ing), thinking, doing and thus being -- human.

When "I am" is nested in "I is" variety in ways of thinking about thinking and languaging emerge.

Second cybernetics includes the observer in one's explanation, including in science. (HvF)

Third cybernetics is in the doing of including oneself in one's descriptions intentionally. (H.B.)

Why a third cybernetics? (Kenny)

Cybernetics is not about generating a grand theory or ideology, It is about epistemology.


Epistomology study of how we oome to know and how one's knowing is buiilt on one's history or herstory of knowing.

One cannot come back to the question when is knowledge too often, and the answer knowledge is what one knows, -- Gertrude Stein

As a science epistemology is; a) a branch of philosophy concerned with the question how is it possible to know anything and what is truth. b) two studies of natural history, b1) the study of how people think they know things, b2) the study of how people know things. Everybody has an epistemology or they could know anything and those who say they don't have an epistemology have a lousy one. -- Gregory Bateson

Different epistemologies, thus, entail different postures or relational attitudes that determine different domains of validity for human actions. -- Humberto Maturana

To take seriously that everything said -- everything said -- is said by an observer (an epistemology) to another observer (again an epistemology), is to revolutionize human experience. It is to hear every assertion not as 'fact' or 'truth' but as an invitation to orient in a particular manner, and no more. -- Rodney Donaldson

Designing Cybernetically

cyberneitcs of cyberentics and responibility for one actions -- regardless of the constraints one finds oneself emmersed in hvf 79

Designing Desires

Premise: an art of being is doing what one wants, and in order to do what one wants one must know what one desires.

Right or Wrong MY Desires

While using the word “desire” to mean something wanted with the momentary urgency of a need and necessity, write a list of statements for which you would say:

While it is not the case, I desire it to be the case that ______.

A Desire Statement: I desire all human needs be satisfied.

Generating False Statements

In order for desires to become tools for designing one’s desires I then turn my desire statements into False Statements based in a dynamic premise that suggests: “The past is past, the present happens anyway so understanding and agreement has to be given to False Statements.

False Statement: All human needs are met.

Paradigms, Models and Premises

I like using words to describe particular phenomena so that I can build on my knowing when using certain words. I want to make the distinction between paradigm, models and premises since it helps me design a society I desire to be a part or more accurately a society I desire to be an element of (recursions).

Assumption: our language is embedded in the old paradigms for communicating. For example, the sun still sets and the moon risesin our languge even though we know that is not the case. Even though we know the heliocentric model replaced the geocentric paradigm a thousand plus years ago the language of the old paradigm haunts our epistemologies and our worldviews.

So in order for social transformations to emerge anything that is not the case may be a more valuable a statement then anything said about what is the case, since “what,” usually reflects old paradigms, models, premises and assumptions from the past rather than a present or future.

Old Paradigms Die Hard

A reward-oriented hierarchy guides our language, languaging, communications in ways that maintains the way things are a status quo that prevents “social” transformations I desire.

Reward-oriented hierarchy: needs are met when appropriate actions are achieved = status an element of a system for stratification. Stable hiearchies of power, nature and beliefs.

Longing for Links

Longing for Links which favors change over stability, yet insists that these changesbe non violent and NOT be improvised BUT composed in search of changing forms.

Composing, Triadic Relations and Performance

When might the power of a respondent, powerful images and the responsibilities of a designer generate triadic relations? (Enslin, Eglash, Richards, von Foerster)


When does the power of a respondent, powerful images and the responsibilities of a designer generate triadic relations? (Enslin, Eglash, Richards, von Foerster)

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Designing a Society (Marianne Brün)

Herstory of Cybernetics (jLombardi)

For God's Sake, Margaret (S. Brand)


Brün's Language of Resistence (Ross Feller)

Cybernetics is.... (Lombardi and Richards)

my words where I want them #48 (Herbert Brün)


The Notion of Control (Humberto Maturana)

Responsibilites of Competence (Heinz von Foerster)

Cybernetics and the Art of Liviing (EvGlasersfeld)


Why Cybernetics 2011 (Mary Catherine Bateson)

Anticommunication Imperatiive (Larry Richards)

From Versailles to Cybernetics (Gregorry Bateson)


Cybernetic Explanation (Gregory Bateson)

Interview with Heinz von Foerster (Yveline Rey)

Why 3rd order Cybernetics (Vincent Kenny)


Epistemology (objectivity) (Gregory Bateson)

Cybernetics and Human Knowing (Rodney Donaldson)

Ontology of Observing (Humberto Maturana)


When Peace is a Need (jLombardi)

Praxis of Thinking (Larry Richards)

Power of the Respondent (Mark Enslin)


Composing Inputs (Herbert Brün)

Dilemmas of social Design (Larry Richards)

Cybernetics of Cybernetics (Margaret Mead)


Longing for Links (Herbert Brün)

Designing Triadic Relations (J. Lombardi)

Cybernetics of Cybernetics (Heinz von Foerster)


Ethics and Cybernetics (Heinz von Foerster)

Toward Composition Herbert Brün (S. Smith)

RC social Transformation and Design (Richards)


Cyber Design, Design Cyberentics (K. Krippendorf)

Paradigms: The Inertia of Language (Marianne Brün)

What's so Radical about Radical Constructivism?


Circularities of Listening (Larry Richards)

Information Entropy Cybernetics (Heikki HyÅNotyniemih)

Can RC Become a Mainstream Endevor? (Riegler,Qulae)


Why Some Like It Radical (EvGlasersfeld)

Asynchronicity in Conversation (Larry Richards)

Feedback, Induction, Epistemology (EvGlasersfeld)



Paradigms Recursion and Praxis (jLombardi)

Idea Avoidance Reflection (Larry Richards)













































Difference-Making from a Cybernetic Perspective
The Role of Listening and Its Circularities
                  Larry Richards, 2012

I want a new society.
Not a derivative of the current one.
This is not easy to create or make happen.
A new society requires social transformations.
It requires alternative ways of thinking about thinking
Different than a Reward Oriented Hierarchical paradigm
One alternative way of thinking about difference-making is cybernetics.
Cybernetics is a way of thinking about ways of thinking of which it is one.
Cybernetics is not success oriented, instead cybernetics is resource oriented
Why Cybernetics (video)

It is not interested in cause and effect BUT constraints and possibilities.
It is interested in refiguring resources, alternative systems, anything new.
It often emphasizes a composer, composing, compositions when designing.
At the core of any cybernetic thinking and doing is the concept of circularity.
From the observed, to the observer, observing, observing one’s observing.
Observing our observing, looking at our looking, listening to our listening

Possible circularities -- when listening to our listening is of interest to me.
Circularity of listening turns attention to language and its consequences.
When everyday language creates, maintains and can change a society.
Two possible forms of listening include descriptive and orientative listening.
When listening for both “what is said” and “what is said, about what is said.”
Listening for both with emphasis on the later turns language into _________.
Listening for content (said) and dynamics (does) generates a dialogic space.
A dialogic opens space for conversation to emerge, when peace is a need.
Just as hunger has to be met by food, conflicts have to be met by peace.
In order to meet peace with our conflicts, differences, tensions and problems
We need a language, a languaging that does not assume peace as a reward.
So that conflict becomes desirable and celebrated so that it can meet peace.
Conversation begins with asynchronicity and moves toward synchronicity.
Conversations are opportunities for conflicts to generate something new.
Something that would not arise when peace is not a need hence it is so.







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